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Logikal Ethix Site Admin

Joined: 05 Sep 2006 Posts: 754 Location: Toronto (GTA)
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Slow Jam-J Student

Joined: 07 Sep 2006 Posts: 4
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 5:23 pm Post subject: |
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The old debate . . . Its so hard for people to find happiness in this world as it is . . . !!! The last thing we as humans should be doing is whinning and hating about people who find love. I dont know but if I see couples in love the last thing i think about is what race or culture they are from . . i tend to think about how lucky they are to have found someone that has made then as happy as they appear. I have about a million better things to worry about in my life. Meh I have no patience for ignorance. But the blonde girls in that video could not have looked or spoken more typically spaced out. . . LOL. . And that girl in the second video who was freakn stressing how pure her blackness was or whatever he fuck she was sayn . . she looked pretty freakn light skinned to me . . . what the heck is pure anyways?
one love. J xoxxo _________________ "While you keep on fakn the funk, we'll keep on walking through the darkness carryin our torches" |
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FACEIT Student

Joined: 15 Feb 2007 Posts: 2
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Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2007 6:01 pm Post subject: |
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What can be said?
Interracial dating will forever happen, people will always have their opinons, regardless of how ignorent they may sound.
Overall I think as a white female who does not discriminate against whom I date, I think that a lot of opinions from either black "people" or white "people" are soly alive not only because of history and its many stereotypes but also because many people refuse to open their closed minds to the idea that two people from different ethnicities or skin colours could possibly live happily. I mean traditionally many believe the idea that a race must stay "pure" as Hitler believed in order to progress. I think this idea still holds up within the "African -Amrican" community seeing how its common to hear many complain about how one is "disgracing their race" or "Hindering their races' progress" Personally I believe this idea is non-sence.
Regardless of whom we choose to date, it is obvious that there will always be set backs, I do know that when dating a person outside of your "skin colour" you automatically become a statistic or a "sterotype" so it isn't easy. But regardless I'd rather face the world for something I believe in (or a person) rather then blend in with the crowd and do whats expected. Because dictating whom one shoudl or should not be with is just another form of oppression in my opinon that blocks some from being happy, and if this world is ever going to reach a state of equilebrum amongst all, we have to accept that society's norms aren't really normal.
Stereotypes, regardless of whom they are trying to put down or misrepresent are a form of racism and its very easy for many to succomb to such a level and simply say,
"He's with her because shes easy" etc.
As many who live with stereotypes are aware, these simple statements form peoples opinons and often times their opinons are wrong, but that again is just MY OPINON!
My last words remain:
"As long as we select our significant other from the HUMAN RACE no one should hold a debate over whether it is right or wrong" _________________ KNOWLEDGE BRINGS CHANGE! |
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Huey Freeman Revolutionary

Joined: 18 Sep 2006 Posts: 93
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Posted: Sun Feb 18, 2007 3:37 am Post subject: |
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This is covered in a other thread, still, but Ill throw my $0.02 in:
Love is love.
End of story.
If I fall for a white girl, I'd love our beautiful beige babies as much as I'd love mahogany rich babies from an African queen, or blackanese babies born of an Asian mother.
We all people. We all bleed red. |
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Zigguh Student

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Posts: 3
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Posted: Sat Feb 24, 2007 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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Very interesting topic...and true say I'm not here to try and argue over whether interacial dating is wrong or not. Cause really and truely who am I to judge another's happiness in terms of what they seek in a relationship? I can only explain from my own experience why I always for me sought relationships with someone who was Black.
Now in my case, I'm actually the product of an interacial union - My father is a Black Trinidadian and my mom is Malaysian -chinese& Malay ethnicity, so I realise it's a bit contradictory to be somewhat against interacial dating when if that were the case I myself wouldn't exist...but straight up it is what it is. I was raised soley by my Black father and his family - mom totally out of the pic...and while I guess u could say while I have my high yella skin tone, my nappy head and constantly changing skin tone depending on the sun definetly made me not white. So if I am to be brutally honest with you guys...most of my problems with interacial relationships is when it's the more obvious Black and White...I know I know I'm gonna get a lotta flack for this but hear me out. I know there are some MAAD COOL White people out there...but really and truely the world right now for me is really FUCKED Up and a lot of it has to do with White Supremist Colonialist Mentalities that permeates our societies and increasingly more and more on a Global level. Don't tell me Racism don't exist anymore and that the "western world" is free, cause trust me that SHIT (racism) is Front and Center every Fuckin day for someone who isn't White.
Yes it's a little more complicated now...but seriously that history is too recent, too painful. and more importantly STILL HAPPENING. It's seems the topic of "GETTING IT" seems to be coming up a lot with me recently... and actually it sums up why I'm mostly against interacial dating cause at the end of the day ure partner if he/she doesn't share your historical and psychic experience of pain and resistance and at least "GET IT", then the relationship is not about growth and in actuality probably self-destructive. Yes there's is LOVE, but for me LOVE is SHARING...sharing experience, sharing histories, sharing suffering, sharing RESISTANCE, sharing the PURSUIT of FREEDOM. I've come across White people who can Share in this and recognize the ILLNESS of the world we live in...but in my political definition of Blackness and Whiteness...those White people are in fact Black. lol Am I confusing u guys? Maybe one day we will see the scars of our PAINFUL jistory healed and we live in a world that is truley free. I have hope in that Utopian Vision...but for now it is what it is...I haven't even gotten into the issues of self-hated concious or unconcious that also plays its role in the whole Interacial discourse...but let's save that for another day. I say... Just Keep LOVING PEOPLE no matter what the race. Keep FIGHTING for JUSTICE and TRUTH. _________________ " I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such, I'm for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole." El- Hajj Malik Shabazz |
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bella Student

Joined: 10 Feb 2007 Posts: 3 Location: Ottawa, ON
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Posted: Tue Feb 27, 2007 2:34 pm Post subject: |
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A few things...
love means different things to different people. i hope u find your definition of love and are happy with that.
A few things...
"Don't tell me Racism don't exist anymore" - i'm not b/c your previous line just proved it does: "... a lot of it has to do with White Supremist Colonialist Mentalities that permeates our societies and increasingly more and more on a Global level." I believe in a self-fullfilling prophacy that if you adopt that mindframe than indeed your world will appear to be like that. Obviously be aware that this shit still exsists but don't allow it to form the basis of your approach to the world. I found booker T. Washington's up from slavery particulary insightful on this topic.
Another thing i wanted to bring to this discussion as a white woman married and madly in love with a black man. It really pisses me off too to see groups of white girls goin' around sayin how cool it is to be with a black man. whether it's rebelling against their parents, to be different or to see if the rumours are true, pursuing somebody based solely on race i don't agree with that. Or when white girls start acting all ghetto when they start dating a black guy. what if you were a white girl who grew in the ghetto their whole life and that's the person you are? Power to you as long as you don't change yourself when you are with different partners.
Conclusion: if you don't pursue s/o based on race or because you wanna be down or b/c you wanna make up for the sins of your forefathers and if you stay true with yourself no matter who u'r with, i'm down with all that. |
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Zigguh Student

Joined: 02 Oct 2006 Posts: 3
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Posted: Thu Mar 01, 2007 7:34 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts Bella...I juss wanted to comment on a few things even tho it totally differs from the sujectline.
""... a lot of it has to do with White Supremist Colonialist Mentalities that permeates our societies and increasingly more and more on a Global level." I believe in a self-fullfilling prophacy that if you adopt that mindframe than indeed your world will appear to be like that. "
I see where you're going with the whole self-fullfulling prophecy but this only holds true if my reality was independant of others. This obviously not the case, the world appears like that because it IS like that. This is HIGHLY PROBLEMATIC.
"Obviously be aware that this shit still exsists but don't allow it to form the basis of your approach to the world. "
Of course it must form the basis of my approach to the world. My existence and the existence of those who share my experience, have to deal with it whether we want to or not. It is under this approach and understanding how these mechanisms systemically continue to OPPRESS that we ACTIVELY RESIST. Some people have the luxury of being able to to IGNORE these issues because they do not directly affect them and their lifestyle. But for people of marginalized communities this CHOICE simply does not exist, they are confronted with the notion of "VISIBLITY" and the insinuation that they are a MINORITY when in fact they are MINORITIZED, this all stems from the discourse of social heirachy that puts WHITENESS on top. I'm not saying that EVERY WHITE person subscribes to this discourse but at the same time they are in a position of privilege as long as this hierarchy is maintained. RESISTANCE involves the rejection of this ideology and the MOBILISATION of peoples of all races to UNLEARN it...only then will we see the dipoles of DOMINANCE and SUBJUGATION removed. Get it? _________________ " I'm for truth, no matter who tells it. I'm for justice, no matter who it is for or against. I'm a human being first and foremost, and as such, I'm for whoever and whatever benefits humanity as a whole." El- Hajj Malik Shabazz |
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