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amani
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| Intro wrote: | | CRACKA wrote: | | real root of the problem is the white man. |
*sigh*
Anyone can be racist. I think Chapelle did a good job with the Clayton Bigsby skit...imagine if every black was blind...they wouldn't be able to say "You're white. Racist colonizing muthafucka...". They'd diffrentiate by whose racist in speech and action...
Rich vs poor. |
I disagree somewhat with both statements. The real root of the problem is white people in general. Rarely do you ever hear about the white woman that raped white men during slavery, etc. Look up the Buck stereotype, where white woman only look towards black men to act out there sexual fantasies. This attitude still persist today. Are we that evolved as a species that we simply look at qualities a person possesses, rather than trying to make uf for some inadequacy that we may feel, whether its subconscious or not? Just a question...
I strongly disagree that anyone can be racist. Racism is a universally operated system of advantage based on white supremacy and domination. I can not think of one white society that is dominated by a society of color.
To answer your question, does that make you a sell out if you date a white woman. To be honest, I know you would get a lot of sideways looks from your fellow conscious peers...some evil peripheral glances...lol. I think that dating a person is like anything else, your intentions behind it. Again, I pose the question...Are we that evolved as a society??? |
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I don't think a case can be made for "white people in general" as wholly racist...
In my experience every society has its own racist beliefs. In fact, on of the most outright, racist, offensive people I ever met was a Hong Kong emigrant who vocally, and often, insulted mainland Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Indians, Blacks, Whites, Jews, Latinos etc. to a degree that would have made a KKK member blush!!! 
As often mistaken, the purpose of this forum is not to provide a base for "Black Power" or the demonization of white society, but to encourage ideas and exchanges between all societal and ethnic groups. We here at SFA believe that society as a whole is lacking in it's willingness to foster an open dialog and exchange of ideas and un-tainted history amongst the members of not only the pan-african diaspora, but modern western society as a whole.
Making the broad generalization that "the Whites" are to blame is as bad at it's core as making the statement that "the Blacks" are to blame for crime, or "The Jews" are to blame for high prices. |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:01 am Post subject: |
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| amani wrote: |
I disagree somewhat with both statements. The real root of the problem is white people in general. Rarely do you ever hear about the white woman that raped white men during slavery, etc. Look up the Buck stereotype, where white woman only look towards black men to act out there sexual fantasies. This attitude still persist today. Are we that evolved as a species that we simply look at qualities a person possesses, rather than trying to make uf for some inadequacy that we may feel, whether its subconscious or not? Just a question...
I strongly disagree that anyone can be racist. Racism is a universally operated system of advantage based on white supremacy and domination. I can not think of one white society that is dominated by a society of color.
To answer your question, does that make you a sell out if you date a white woman. To be honest, I know you would get a lot of sideways looks from your fellow conscious peers...some evil peripheral glances...lol. I think that dating a person is like anything else, your intentions behind it. Again, I pose the question...Are we that evolved as a society??? |
I fully agree with what you are saying. I raised this question because my ex-girl is Jewish(white) and this was a concern of many, maybe not everyone would directly come out and ask but juss as you mentioned the evil peripheral glances spoke loud and clear. And in the Jewish community it was basically the same if not worst; in fact if her (bobie and Zaidi(grand parents) found out about "us" she would have cut from the family tree. For me, dating out side of my race was never an issue of obtaining some kind of social status or to obtain a degree of lactification as Franz Fanon would say, it was simply because we connected as individuals, simple. I'm very comforable in my "blackness"
In University we even took classes together on Colonization mainly in connection with the Caribbean and she was interested in learning and understanding about black oppression and the concept of privilege/imperialism; that was an attraction to me for sure; 'cause even for her, at the time didn't understand why blacks are so hated. I even broke some level of ignorance with her parents, one in which is a Prof @ the University of Toronto about blacks in society. And this was an eye-opener for me since it showed me that anyones mentality surrounding ignorance could change...ANYONE!!
On the other hand there is certain kinds of blacks that will date out side of their race(white) for the sole purpose of status and to obtain a degree of "whiteness"/Privilege. As Franz Fanon describes in Black Skin white Mask, something to nature of..by winning the heart of a white woman he him self has now become white, and is now civilized in Mainstream society.
In my opinion this is house negro stuff. You cant deny who you are/ethnicity and to give up your identity /culture COMPLETELY for someone elses because you are seen as uncivil,This will always be a problematic function and will leave you in a state of dependency governed by the dominant force...almost like slavery. I'm a strong advocate for understanding difference in order to move forward in society, We all have something meaningful and resourceful that we all contribute to humanity, and step one of breaking the cycle of ignorance/race/prejudices is discussion but still as long as the notion of white supremacy/dominance exist, we will always have this topic to discuss
But at the end of the day...love is love
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amani
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| Administrator wrote: | I don't think a case can be made for "white people in general" as wholly racist...
In my experience every society has its own racist beliefs. In fact, on of the most outright, racist, offensive people I ever met was a Hong Kong emigrant who vocally, and often, insulted mainland Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, Indians, Blacks, Whites, Jews, Latinos etc. to a degree that would have made a KKK member blush!!!
As often mistaken, the purpose of this forum is not to provide a base for "Black Power" or the demonization of white society, but to encourage ideas and exchanges between all societal and ethnic groups. We here at SFA believe that society as a whole is lacking in it's willingness to foster an open dialog and exchange of ideas and un-tainted history amongst the members of not only the pan-african diaspora, but modern western society as a whole.
Making the broad generalization that "the Whites" are to blame is as bad at it's core as making the statement that "the Blacks" are to blame for crime, or "The Jews" are to blame for high prices. |
Hi Administrator,
Racism by definition is again a universally operated system of advantage based on white supremacy and domination. What is your definition of racism? I think what you are more closely referring to is prejudice because your friend from Hong Kong is not a part of an oppressive system. Racism is more than just a “belief” rather it has been constructed at every level of human existence to prevent white genetic annihilation. My response was in reference to what Cracka had wrote in that I do not believe that the root of the problem is based on any particular gender. If any generalization can be inferred it is that whites do not have to be prejudice in order to benefit for the effects or racism…no more than you and I can be blamed for the benefiting from lower gas prices, etc. for the imperialistic war in Iraq. My approach in this regard is never intended to be individualistic referencing any particular person or experience rather how society operates as whole.
I did not mistake the intent of the forum, however I do implore you to let the members of the forum speak without condemning their opinions. That is the only way that truly can encourage exchanges. Other things in this thread alone I felt were inappropriate like:
| CRACKA wrote: | | Whatever, you're doing the white man a service. Most brothas only like fat ugly white chix anyways. |
However, you choose to single out my comment as *radical?* “Black Power” perpetuating. There is a difference between empowering blacks and recognizing the importance of revisiting history unapologetically and purporting hate. The name of the site stolenfromafrica.com alone signifies that there has been some sort of atrocity or crime against another. If the vision of this site it to promote understanding and healing then it is becomes absolutely necessary to acknowledge and address the diversity and dynamics of your audience base.
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amani
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| Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2007 12:37 pm Post subject: |
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| Logikal Ethix wrote: |
But at the end of the day...love is love |
I agree with you Logikal Ethix,
First off, great book.
It really has everything to do with your intent on being with someone. If you believe that by being with another race will make up for some deep rooted feeling of inadequacy or inferiority then there is a major issue.
How I overcame giving those sideway glances…was imagining a man in solitude at his weakest moment perhaps even near death. No one was around, bothered, or cared for this man except for a woman of another race who nurtured him back to health (could be mental could be physical) They fall in love.
Would I tell this man not to love this woman? No, I would not. As an outsider you can never judge why two people have formed a connection and choose to be together.
Should I have ever needed that simple vision in my head at times to jump start me back in the right direction? Maybe, maybe not. But I do think that challenging ourselves and thoughts to think more abstractly and to scratch the beyond surface is really how we ever evolve as people.
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| amanda_artis wrote: | | Paraphrasing El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz, dating/marrying outside your race shows that you dislike yourself and your people. Being a sista, deperately looking for a strong king, I have to say that I definitely get disgusted when I see Black men who claim to be about African people but be with some chick other than an African woman. It deeply disturbs me. I truly wish Malcolm was alive to see how far we have fallen. |
I dissagree you don't hate yourself you just refuse to see colour lines the only way too eliminate the colour divisions is to not have any at all. I love Africa I love my black ppl I love my black women to no end but I refuse to let the world depict who I can find attractive. We fell becuz we don't treat our own women well not becuz we treat white women better... But I see your problem and I understand your position
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| amanda_artis wrote: | | Paraphrasing El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz, dating/marrying outside your race shows that you dislike yourself and your people. Being a sista, deperately looking for a strong king, I have to say that I definitely get disgusted when I see Black men who claim to be about African people but be with some chick other than an African woman. It deeply disturbs me. I truly wish Malcolm was alive to see how far we have fallen. |
This is a ridiculous statement. You know nothing about the guy, but if he's dating a white girl he must hate himself. You are such a sad repreesentation of our poeple. It actually makes me sad that you have this type of a mentality. There are so many issues that define if a relationship works or not. So you have a person that you like , you find attractive they treat you with respect. But the only reason you don't date them, is color. Does that even seem logical to you. Now I know that reading this you would probobly assume my girlfriend is white. You would be incorrect. But I'm a man who has dated white women. I hope atr some point you look at your point of you and realize the world has bigger probelms, and is counter productive to bring more seperation.
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its so funny cuz i was thinking the same thing for the past few weeks....
no disrespect to the black men who afre postive and doing they thang but its has been very diffcult to find one who is on the same level as i am or maybe i just haven't met one. i am a fairly attrative young black woman, inteligent, aware of black issues, goin to university f/t and working p/t with the bank. I out going and have friends. there are a good chunk of black men who are unavailble for a relationship to build ona foundation for something big.
I was thnking if dating a white man would be hypocritical...
and i think no.... my happiness with another human being doesnt affect my views on black issues they are 2 separate things.....
although it is kind of sad that at my age i have already realized how hard it is to find a serious black man who can match me at my level of thinking ....
most would rather by brand new cars then invest in a home/land/ condo |
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| Posted: Sun Sep 09, 2007 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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also.....
alot would rather have baby moms then get married.... |
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| focused wrote: | its so funny cuz i was thinking the same thing for the past few weeks....
no disrespect to the black men who afre postive and doing they thang but its has been very diffcult to find one who is on the same level as i am or maybe i just haven't met one. i am a fairly attrative young black woman, inteligent, aware of black issues, goin to university f/t and working p/t with the bank. I out going and have friends. there are a good chunk of black men who are unavailble for a relationship to build ona foundation for something big.
I was thnking if dating a white man would be hypocritical...
and i think no.... my happiness with another human being doesnt affect my views on black issues they are 2 separate things.....
although it is kind of sad that at my age i have already realized how hard it is to find a serious black man who can match me at my level of thinking ....
most would rather by brand new cars then invest in a home/land/ condo |
word I feel what you sayin,
seek and you will find!!!
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I've noticed a lot of the reasonings in this post are about how others will perceive next people's relationships. I man say fuck that and fight colonizers on the lowest level still. What does if matter to my neighbours if my kids are only half white, half black, half east Asian, etc.? That in itself is really insignificant. We don't need to generalize and see blacks as blacks and only that- whites as whites, etc. It's the system's plan to divide us so they can rule over us. Like Jesus said, 'A house divided against itself cannot stand.' I man am only fearful of God's judgment. If I mistreat a woman- white or black, I am mistreating a woman. If my love for her is not genuine, then I am fake for being fake. But it's a lot easier for next people to try and pick people apart for being different coloured skin than for one of them not being as true to the relationship as the next one. And at the end of the day it isn't even the business of next people. It's just gossip which leads to nothing constructive.
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[quote="CRACKA"] | amanda_artis wrote: |
If Malcom was alive he'd likely be trying to hook up with a fine white piece of ass  |
 That is likely blashphemy. Sheesh! Man are we fucked up. People talking about how they are ashamed to be black because of views imposed on us, like we've just been living our lives without racism, lies, hatred, conspiracies, self-hatred upbringing, etc. etc.
My truth is that dating a 'white girl' as you call is not contradictory. It just means that could still be programmed as most of us are. It's nothing to be ashamed of, it is a reality. There are many reasons you/I would even want to date a white girl, which I will not list here. Shit I'm still deprogramming. Malcolm learned to love himself. This in turn gave him black pride to the fullest. This is where black supremacy can come into play if you don't watch it. Which to be honest, we probably need it.
If you truly love yourself, your ancestors, what they have contributed to the world, what has been done to them as well as their contributions... then dating anyone outside of direct African descent would seem absurd. Mainly because you would recognize that everyone of our peoples struggle is my/your struggle. It's about how much you can deprogram!! Not just racially on all levels being born in the Wasteland.
UNLEARN and I will continue to do the same.
We can not fight someone elses fight until we have handled our own business. Though the way things are going, we will.
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I don't know if you are African-American or not so, I would say that you have some different things going on if so. If you are not and you are fighting for us, I don't really give a damn who you dating.
 The majority of people on earth are programmed under White supremacy, America is just the extreme version of it. Though any kind of supremacy is extreme.
Still I appreciate what you're doing and maybe we will meet someday.
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