White People killed hiphop

[FireAndFlame]

White folks killed hip hop...

any music with a message or a true deepness will be embraced by a few because not many are in tune with the deepness that life sends us....with all music there will be an artist that can gain mainstream sucess without compromising his or her art...look at NAS . . . but once that fool makes money everyone and they momma gonna want to do the same thing...this is where the white man comes in...if there's money to be made they gonna take all of it by any means necessary...they dont give a flying fuck if an artist is true to the core of the art as long as that person is making money then its all g...with me being a pac head i can seee this in his music....early shit political, thug life still political but the overtness of the politics has diminished...the makaveli (death row) shit was a toss up between the white backed ignorance that allowed him to sell millions of records and the deepness that gained his core audience...and after his death, nigga is just another minstrel

you cant complain about whats going on in the mainstream because soon enough true soulful feelgood music (not this kanye bullshit, that niggas the most uncle tom rapper ever) will come back and then be taken over by the white man, so why bother...just stay on your own shit and don't give them crackas any more of your money...they think cause they gave it to you, extorted work from you for a few penny's more like it, they own what you can buy, fuck that, support artists like the coup and dead prez and paris and buy online...

the money aspect and the flashy shit has always been part of the art, to show off what you got to escape the street, but the whites made hip-hop all about that shit through their media empires and their constant bad press...remember your roots..

[Logikal Ethix]

[dub.T]

i can appreciate where your coming from here

as soon as music that is from a minority artist, that has feeling & passion becomes readily available to the majority it seems to eventually lose its edge b/c white kids are going to embrace it -- the problem is it is embraced to the point of strangulation then it loses it's roots & credibility.

but to say that whitefolks killed hip hop is a generalization that really causes me to cringe.as someone who is white, yet embraces the culture of hip hop & not the candy coated uncle tom shit that is spoonfed to us daily, I have to think that without the BS uncle tom rappers, artists like paris & prez wouldn't have a voice -- the cream always rises to the top.

also, when all the kids have that underground option then it will ultimately leed to more people opening they eyes to the world around them.


the glass is half full -- real folks will see through the bullshit.
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[Castro_I'n'I]

FireAndFlame

Are you fcking serious?! I can't believe what am reading?!

Black people killed hiphop, and black peoples are killing their own communities with it!

I can't even phantom how you will blame white people for killing hiphop!

Edit: I thought I was going to find some constructive building in this site, but your posts are full of hate.

[FireAndFlame]

The section of the site is supposed to spark controversy, and that's what imma do.

I stand behind whayt I said. I don't hate whites, I don't hate no man, but it's just like rock and roll and the blues over again. We have the dual headed snake of uncle tom niggas like kanye and puffy and jermaine dupri and all their like and the other head of the snake is the colonizing white man. Both sides don't give a fuck about da culture or the power of the message they can bring to the youths, just the bottom line and the bottom dolla.

Black folk need to safegaurd their culture more, less it be exploted for politikkkal means, naw mean?

I repsect Logikals statement that if the man think he can make a dolla off Black Rage, off Dead Prez or any other true political artists than that's what he's gonna do.

My statements are meant ot engage the mans in discussion, to diesect the disease and see what's the cause.

More than the music though, Castro In'I, the mans kill they own because of more deep seated issues that the music preys upon. From poor education to the loss of black pride to the constant need for a black man to make 'imself appear ignorant and prideful in the face of his peers instead of calm and rational and intelligent. Idiot niggas just use that to make folk start wylin out and then the sterotype becomes the man, seen?
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[Castro_I'n'I]

FnF

Your throwing terms like colonizing like its eye candy. Your message is not constructive and its damaging to say the least.

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[Castro_I'n'I]

Well it looks like FireandFlame cannot stand neither the FIRE nor the FLAME!

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Next time when you make wild ass claims and remarks make sure you can at least make some sense out of them.

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[CRACKA]

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Word the fuck up!

Well said.

[Kalonji]

I remember a quote from phonte.
He said, Black folks find me to intelligent
and white folks said i am to niggarish

The Hip-hop institution up in belgium are own by white folks. The one who are making it rite now is only white. In France, Diam's who is white is the director of Motown France ( WTF) her assistant is Sinik who is also white. It s bullshit. The don t give any chance to us. I think rite now, as Logikal said, we have to unite. and all around the world. I m comin in belgium with my nu album that i made myself. it s called No Niggation. It s universal. I hope it will bring something nu to everybody. otherrwise this world is just crzay and ignorant
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[CRACKA]

Only thing ignorant is the title of this thread and some of the replies.

White People killed hip hop, yea, lets string Rick Rubin up..

damn, there are some seriously stupid bitches around here who will never make it in the hip hop community, let alone life!


And Kalonji, your avatar is way to big.
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[Kalonji]

this topic is relly interresting
I mean by what i read. Everybody is rite.
He u noticed not even in north america but also in Europe ( London, Barcelona, Amsterdam, gent or Berlin ) If u go to some good hip-hop show like the roots, madlib, j5 or EPMD. .. U ll see more white people than black people. That means that they like our culture. On the other side, The black people prefer more to go in the club to show their bling and money and dance to some p diddy or some lil jon white some white bitch.

I met a dude while i was living in Montreal, He told me that his English Literature teacher was a fan of Kweli. They even Analyse the women tracks that is beautiful.
I think that our culture brings a lot to those institution. They wants to be like us, it s true. They are a lots of blacks folks up in europe who acted like whites coz they forget our culture ( it s pretty sad ) I wish sometime for me to speak my mother tongue. I grew up in a white environement, but i fall in love of hip-hop with the melodi and the lyrics. In High school, all my class mate were listening to some radiohead, rhcp, oasis and even to some techno house music. It s been almost 10 year that the hip-hop break into the urban culture in Belgium. In the Flemish side, it s pretty good coz they got the vibe. In the french side, it s hard coz soms have some hard lyrics and don t evoluate with the lyrics. It s hard to explain. u have to live here to see it. Brussels has no hip-hop culture.
Yeah, white folks had appropriate our culture and are doin even worst but not all of them. I think at the end, we should not avoid this topic but find a solution to change the way it is.
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[The Biz]

Do Europeans embrace Hip-Hop more because they lack indigenous black music? The blues, jazz and Hip-Hop (also can't forget rock and roll) all take their roots from American black culture, so do Europeans show more love because it's "different" to them?

Thoughts?
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Oh yeah, for sure. 'Cause even moreso than in Canada and the States are there even less black rappers and emcees in Europe. I mean, you need to think logically here. There are less black people in most parts of Europe than North America. So it's only natural that white people would be predominant. I'm not saying that's necessarily moral, however.

Also, their culture of hip hop is different than ours. They believe it to be much more than just music, it's more of an art. Because the best lyricists and producers I've met happen to be European. Ulliversal, whom I knew when he was a no one (no offense to him), is on a mixtape with Pete Rock, Alchemist, DJ Premier, and Needlz...and he's from German, has a super strong accent and can't speak very much English. He taught me some German, though (find out what this means: "Deine mutter! Gib mir gras!"). And lyrically, England tends to be much more potent than the Americas...

That's just my opinion.